Who’s Got the Biggest Balls or If Konohamaru can learn rasengan you can too
Hey all, this is Mollie (Ibiki Teishi) . I couldn’t let the Konohamaru makes-a-big-splash-with-his-little-rasengan controversy go by without stirring the pot a bit, and I know you’ve seen me in the comments working up trouble. The thing is, we’ve got an awesomeness resource in each other, because none of us is as dumb as all of us (ack! whups.) all of us are smarter than one of us.
This post is thanks to a very awesomeness collective group mind–and I gotta say the twists and turns in that groupmind are pure genius, a splash of inspiration and a little bit of lunacy just for good measure. Okay, in the case of some, a whole lotta lunacy…and I can’t mention lunacy without screaming (because Jeremiah promised we would get sick of him doing this, and I haven’t yet) : “MMmmmmmmaito Gaaaaaaaiiiiiiii!!!!”
Jeremiah started us off with the three steps to make the rasengan. In case you forgot, here’s how it goes…
Notice Jiraiya in this translation uses the word ‘concentrate’ which could mean orange juice out of a can. The anime translations both use the word compression. So I dug up the clip from episode 89 where J-man explains the third step. Both the dub and the sub translate that compression is key to completing the last step. I’ve posted both so you can pick and pan and we can eliminate argument over translation miscues.
first in sub:
then in dub:
Next Jiraiya demonstrates the difference between a rasengan at step 2 and this one, a completed step 3 (with compression) rasengan.
Okay…so that puts us on even ground even if you can’t remember the three steps and what the heck it all means. Compression is not a theory as far as I’m concerned, but you’re welcome to reject the source of the information.
SSOoo, now a recap of the discussion. Does Konohamaru have tiny balls? And is one tiny ball a bad thing? (Look, honey, our little boy is growing up…look at the little things…they’re so cute!)
‘Compressed’ for you below is what the list had to say about the little guy’s young man learning Naruto’s ‘thing’–and I gotta tell you, general fan malaise on the net pretty much echoes the feelings expressed on awesomeness. I stuck in a poll so you can vent any frustration very clearly; it’s a pretty negative poll, but I’ve heard some pretty angry people the last two weeks. So vent away.
At any rate, here’s what you had to say about the Konohamaru’s balls (pervs) rasengan, the size issue, and what the result of a head to head battle between K.ono and Naruto would be Good points were made by all, and I tried hard to collect each one, but if I missed anyone–please let me know and I’ll add you in.
Why have the discussion in the first place? Well, first to have something vent about since a good few of us didn’t believe/want Konohamaru to have this attack at first (Alec, EroSennin, me…). I think it’s important to figure the mechanics out for future reference, especially in understanding Naruto’s new jutsu. Plus, the discussions are for funsies (thx Alec). ANnnnndd, if you break the steps down enough you all can play rasengan at home. Hey, if Konohamaru can learn it–you can too (sigh. you do realize that was a complete and total joke, right?).
Does size matter? Is bigger better? (If you really ask a woman, guys, they’ll tell you the truth: not nearly as much as you like to think it does. In fact, it really doesn’t in all but the most extreme cases.) Here is a quick look at rasengan from across the manga. If you’re really geekin’ and want me to post the chapter/page references and the opponents for these shots I can. Also, if there’s a good one I missed, drop me a reference to get it added in.
Microtube/Pain, iamlegend, Furion and Charzelo insisted the power of the rasengan was due only to size, and most of them talked about Jiraiya’s insane Great Googly Moogly It’s Gonna Swallow You Whole Rasengan (fight with Pain, in the upper left).
I kept nattering on about how the speed/power comes from compression making size a less predictable measure of what makes rasengan effective; anon backed me up talking about how a denser, faster rasengan would be more powerful.
EroSennin said that the compression makes it hold form, but that wasn’t what created the speed. arrun said size was important because bigger meant more chakra, it would still be compressed, and went on to say that power came from the amount of chakra inside the sphere. babyfox seconded this. EroSennin reminded everyone that chakra compression has happened before and remembered the kyuubi compressing and eating chakra in the face off with Oro.
lastscorpion said compression wasn’t happening–and I would direct him to the instruction by Jiraiya above, but he did come in during the middle of the conversation, so cut him some slack. He said rasengan’s power came from the speed of rotation (twice) and renzy backed him up.
Alec and renzy said the compression could be there, but it would just expand and slow down. lastscorpion and Iamlegend listed arguments that would indicate compression would slow down the spin. Iamlegend delivered an astronomy lesson about white dwarfs and mass and rotation speed that was truly something. Which was kind of what Alec was getting at with his damage from rifle versus shotgun argument.
However, Alec, I think arrun told you the rifle and I have to second that. Shot spreads out but does not penetrate due to lack of spin; rifle exit wounds are tremendous compared to the size of projectile. Shot lodges. Renzy said it didn’t matter, either one to the face and you’re dead. Wellllll…..maybe you should ask Dick Cheney’s hunting companion about that. Rifle it is.
EroSennin made a really interesting argument, that a bigger rasengan would spin faster in the middle, but be slower at the outside. There where wheels and axles involved–it was truly brilliant, as was anon’s easy explanation of speed and density.
A lot of people found reasons to diss Konohamaru’s tiny sphere, saying that it isn’t just the size it’s the fact that it’s just weaker (or he’s just weaker) than what Naruto can do. Some of this just sounded like trash talk to me (as if any of you had ever made a rasengan). But one very valid point, was the fact that Kono used a clone to deliver the goods. You can see in the shots gathered above, this hasn’t happened very often. You all knew this, but here is the gathered evidence. EroSennin, Furion, Alec, Arrun, and lastscorpion all mentioned something to this effect.
Alec told me not to look at color or texture as an indication of the strength of the rasengan, he said that was capricious on Kishi’s part. I said ‘pffffft’ at the time, but looking back at these shots now, I think he had a pretty good point. I do think there are some indications of color meaning something, as well as the threads inside, but that there are times when it just doesn’t make sense at all.
Last, we wondered whose rasengan might be best in a rasengan to rasengan blow. Iamlegend and lastscorpion said big will win without any other considerations. renzy said more chakra wins. charzelo said Naruto wins (well, yeah! go Naruto!).
Alec told me to look for the evidence and the final outcome. Unfortunately we didn’t have any this week–unless you count the fact that Kono’s Pain was summoned on his feet like nothing happened.
Having taken a look at the instructions, the shots of rasengan over time and our own discussion, what do you think now? Is it possible for a small rasengan to pack more punch than a larger rasengan?